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In most cases it’s actually ILLEGAL for ur employer to punish u for discussing ur wages

The salaries and benefit packages of CEOs of publicly traded companies salaries are public information, available in the companies’ annual reports. Funnily enough CEOs use this information to very successfully leverage up their own incomes.

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I once was a middle manager for a large company, I was working on developing my subordinates and getting ready to promote one of them. They gave me his offer letter and I told them he wasn’t going to accept it because he made more money being hourly and getting overtime than the salary they were proposing. They told me they were going to revise it and make it more appealing to him. He then sought me out and asked about his offer, I told him I’d sent it back because it didn’t seem fair compensation to me. He asked how much it was for and I told him. He laughed and said ‘yeah, that would have been insulting’. The last thing I said to him was ‘don’t let them lowball you, you’re worth more than you’ve been led to believe’. About an hour later I’m being terminated for violating confidentiality because I disclosed to him what the original amount of the offer would have been, and because I acted against the best interests of the company.

I had someone arguing with me that its illegal to discuss salary. I pointed out that our worker rights literally protect it.

She then turned around and said that doesnt matter because its a clause in our contract. She didnt seem to grasp the idea that a contract can say anything TF it likes but cant supersede actual laws.

It’s things like this is where we find out why a previous generation is indoctrinated and largely selfish.

People recently demanded that the company discloses the salaries and they said they’d not to “in order to reduce stress among employees.”

Yeah, no shit. The only one stressed would have been the employer.

SO many things are just made up for the detriment of the masses. You start looking at all the “unwritten rules” (sometimes written) of society, and questioning why, and you see more and more of this stupid. How about, “Grin and bear it.” There’s a good one.

The boomers at my company get paid tens of thousands more, we’re taking 20-30k more for the same role while also being exponentially worse at the job and doing far less work. I encourage my team to share their salaries for this exact reason, so they can see how screwed they are and demand more.

It‘s like car dealer telling Hank not to tell others that he „only“ paid sticker price

i’m a municipal worker; my pay — and regular annual seniority increases — are on a public schedule. i can see no reason other than greed why private employers could not do the same.

It’s true that some of the crabs will get mad at the escaping crabs and not the cook.

I’ve been saying this for years and when I say this opinion to anyone, they’re faces scrunch up like I’m saying something horribly offensive. It’s interesting how deeply ingrained this belief has been driven into us.

What if one worker is way more productive, better at the job and just nicer in general? Do they not deserve more pay than another employee if they happened to be lazy, off sick all the time and a general ass hat?

So allow me to ask this question: Suppose I signed before I got the job with the contract. “You are forbidden to discuss salary wages with other co-employees, etc.), and of course, I sign it. Seven months later, a colleague and I discuss wages only to find out they make more than I do, and we are doing the same job performance. I go to my manager demanding to be compensated the same pay rate as the co-worker making more than me. I get fired for discussing Wages because of the contract I signed. BUT, the NLRB, which is Federal Law, states that I am allowed to discuss wages …. who would win if I took this to court?

Recently I got a 49 cent raise at work, and the first thing I did was reach out to my coworkers to ask if they got it too.

Only do this at the interview. Never try and do it before when you are applying to jobs. It’s a great way unfortunately not to get an interview

Yup. When I worked in telecom anytime someone was going up for a position on the same level as mine I’d get with them, provide them the interview questions I’d been asked and tell them the exact number to ask for. Never got caught, wouldn’t have cared if I did.

Our company was recently purchased and one of the first things our new owner did was make salaries and pay transparent across the board. We had a meeting where he basically said that he knew everyone had the right to discuss there salaries and probably were so he wanted to clearly outline how our pay structure worked going forward. That way everyone knew why people are paid what they are paid and what they need to do to make it to that level. It’s been really nice, and very clearly defined what things you can do as an individual to get increase your earnings.

Recently they hired an apprentice for me, we talked wages in the same day he started and turns out they were paying him 6k more than me. Told my manager and they have me a 20% raise. I feel like the new generation really takes this message to heart.

Some Europeans will ask how much you make before asking what it is you do, straight up. They had zero judgment when i’d answer but a few have said with genuine concern “hmm that’s not that much”

A guy at work kept asking another to share his wages, Guy #2 previously worked for a company with a STRICT policy against wage sharing. Guy#1 kept asking every once in a while until #2 finally caved in.

Turns out Guy #1 was hired on at $2 LESS than our starting wage. After an angry threat to higher ups about quitting, he had his wages adjusted.

It’s like when they tell you it’s rude to ask your salary in your first interview. I’m doing this for the money, no because I like to wake up early and spend all day doing nonsenses

So I work as a subcontractor for another company. When I got my job, I was working alongside another contractor who worked for the company I was subcontracted to. Tldr, I work for sub, he works for actual. We have identical jobs.

A couple weeks in he notices I’m calculating my monthly pay, because I only get paid once a month. During a break he outright asks me how much I’d be making. I was a little wary at first, but didn’t think anything would come of it, so I told him.

It turned out I, someone who was hired 6+ months after him, was making 15-20k more than he was yearly. He called up the bosses on his side, and the conversation went as followed:

Coworker: “So I found out the new hire Nova225 is making 20k more than me”

His Boss: *angrily* “Did he tell you how much he was making? How did you find out?”

Coworker: “*It doesn’t matter how I found out*. What matters is that he’s making that much more than me, so I’m demanding more pay!”

To make sure I didn’t get into any trouble, he gave the story that he looked over my shoulder and saw me calculating my pay, so technically I didn’t tell him anything. His boss was in a pickle then, because they couldn’t match my subcontractor pay, but I guess they eventually came to some sort of an agreement.

Find out how much your coworkers are making and figure out the discrepancies.

Know what else is made up? “We can’t give anyone an X% raise.”. Bullshit. You can. There’s no rule. You just choose not to. You just hired the new guy at X% more than Jerry over there is making 3 years in. You can give Jerry the same amount but you choose not to. So, Jerry is gonna take his 3 years of experience with him when he leaves.

Fun fact, it is considered rude to discuss your salary with people who work other jobs or who don’t have any reason to know. For example: At dinner parties.

Discussing wages among employees is a right guaranteed under federal law and doubled up with laws from every state I bothered to check. It’s a right and a duty to each other and yourself.

I’m an urgent care doctor on production pay (per patient). At the beginning of the pandemic, we had a huge reduction in our pay when covid interestingly ground business to a halt. At that time our director asked us not to discuss recent salary changes in front of the other staff because apparently the nurses and medical assistants complained it was rude to them, who make much less. What do people think about that specific situation? Keep in mind, I am a first generation doctor who is still paying back hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical education debt.

I worked for a company for almost 6 years, was one of the most “senior” people in that position. It wasn’t until a coworker was complaining about her salary that I realized I was getting screwed. She had been there for less time than I had, and was making almost $5/hour more.

I talked to my boss to try and figure out what the deal was, and they tried to tell me it was because she “had more experience”…. Not in our department she didn’t…. I trained her…. (she had been in the company for about half the time I had)

Tried to see if I could get a raise, and they offered me $0.50 more. So I put in my two weeks notice and got hired on at a way better company for almost $10/hour more.

Talk to your coworkers and dig into this stuff people. Companies will seriously hire people in at way more than you ever make, and then try to tell you they don’t have the funds to equal your pay.

At a previous employer we found that I (a man) was being paid more than my colleague (a woman) doing the same job. She would never have found out and got this fixed if we’d been unable to discuss salary.

Yeah i was training a new guy at work and quietly asked him how much he was getting paid, and it worked out he was getting $6.50 an hour more then me, I went to the boss the next day and blew up. The next week I had an extra 9 dollars an hour on my pay slip, his excuse was the guy I was training was older than me. Always pays to ask.

It’s literally a protected Federal right. Report anyone who says otherwise to your local Labor Board.

This comment will likely be unpopular. I’ve been a recruiter in corporate America for 15 years. I’ve worked both internally (inside companies) and also externally as well. First off, in the US, it is 100% LEGAL for employees to discuss their salary. It’s frowned upon, not because of employers keeping people down, but because it creates resentment/distrust between employees. If person A makes more than person B (even if there is a justifiable reason like more experience, better performance..etc) person B can end up resentful and unhappy, when they would be perfectly happy if they didn’t know.

Regarding getting higher wages, knowing what other people in your skillset/position make is helpful in terms of negotiating going into a new position. However, the best possible thing you can have going for yourself is a skillset that is rare. If you are the only plumber in town and the town has 10,000 people, you’re going to be very busy and able to charge much higher rates for your services. Knowing what your coworkers make will only allow you to leverage a higher rate if the employer doesn’t have other options. For example, if you are the only plumber in town (in a town of 10,000) you can charge high rates. If there are 100 plumbers in town then the customers will price shop, driving rates down. So, in our little analogy if you are going to work for a company and are a software developer who can code in 15 languages and have 15 years of experience then you can likely command much higher rates than someone who only has 4 yrs of experience and can only code in 5 languages – that is, unless, the particular employer in question only needs someone who can code in 1 language, then the rest of the skills are superfluous.

Corporations aren’t good or bad. They are just companies. If you think of them as customers in the 10,000 person town and yourself as the plumber then you’ll be better able to leverage rates. Know how many other plumbers there are. Know what the other plumbers charge and how good your skills are stacked up against the other plumbers.

The other alternative, which is I think is a good one (though there are downsides to this as well) is to unionize. If all the plumbers in town get together and decide not to work for less than X/hr then you can keep rates higher. The downside to this would be if the plumbers all decided to charge a minimum of $1000/hr . Then they might run into some anti-trust type of laws that prevented the railroads from doing this in the early 1900s.

We have tremendous income inequality in the US and that’s a problem, but it’s a separate topic. If the goal is to drive up your own wages then 1) Know the market for your skillset/what your peers earn , 2) Gain as much skill/experience as you can to set yourself apart from the market, (3) lastly know how scare your skill is and how easily replaceable you are (we’re all replaceable, it’s just a matter of difficulty).

I hope this helps someone.

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